Pickman's Next Top Model: it turns out some folks are really bothered by the jerkoff emojis, and i think you've long since made your point with them. You are absolutely not required to stop criticizing anyone, but please stop doing that thing specifically?

Two deleted. This conversation is not likely to benefit from a derail about penis size, rape, and/or breeding anyone out of existence.

Edited this comment to fix a typo, at the user's request.

BungaDunga, it's probably time to let the thread breathe a little. You don't need to stop talking completely, but it's kind of becoming the you-vs-the-world show in here; of the latest 20 comments in the thread, you've made 10 of them.

anoldfriend6: I understand what you're getting at here, but please be mindful that the way you are phrasing things does come across as pretty dismissive of folks who may have significant difficulty functioning but do not have a formal diagnosis. And note that the official diagnostic criteria for ADHD, in particular, make it extremely difficult for anyone who was unable to access a diagnosis by age 18 to ever get a diagnosis, even if they otherwise have all the symptoms; it is widely acknowledged by disability and mental health activists as a real access problem.

Melismata: "Perhaps he’s a troll, but is he also ND? Can we smart mefites figure out a way to explain things to him in ways that he understands?"

Melismata (and also anoldfriend6): i understand you're trying to be kind here—the impulse is a very generous one! But we definitely don't need to be diagnosing other users on here or speculating about their neurology.

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HearHere, this is really not acceptable behavior, and it needs to stop. I am not going to make you take a break from this thread, because i regard it as odious to put you in the position of having everyone else discussing your behavior without permitting you to reply, but there is a limit to how much we are willing to continue discussing this issue with you and it is approaching quickly.

At your request, i have corrected the typo in your earlier comment, but that in no way constitutes approval of this behavior.

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One deleted at user request.

Fixed a link in the post, at the user's request.

One deleted as noise.

greatalleycat: "To be honest, Americans don't think about Canada at all." I'm not sure if there's some reason you've decided to come into this thread specifically to antagonize Canadians, but it's unpleasant and breaks the guidelines, and you should knock it off.

Fixed links in post to be clickable.

(Just updated a previous comment of mine to remove the mod-action styling, as it was also a "mod-hat but not mod action" comment. Sorry for the inconvenience!)

snofoam: "Is this possible on the tech side? I don’t remember ever seeing someone given a timeout from a specific subsite."

It's not something we can automate, but it is certainly something we can tell folks is a requirement for their continued participation! It used to be something that the mods did a lot back in the cortex/LM/EM days, although i don't think it's been done in awhile. It's just done on the honor system. (But of course if they violate that, that's obvious bad behavior.)

Edited post at user's request to remove a bad link.

(edited my own earlier comment to add the mod-note styling; sorry about that oversight)

Folks. One out of every 200 people is half a percent, or 0.5%. If you wanted to write it without a percent sign, it would be 0.005. That said, it's probably worth dropping the derail now.

One comment deleted for being a derail; it was largely a discussion of the Paradiso rather than the Purgatorio. You can't really say "spoilers" for a 700-year-old book, but it was deeply disconnected from the canto of the Purgatorio which is the subject of this FanFare post.

Folks, while i can't speak for the other mods, i am absolutely reading this thread. Please note that for obvious reasons, we're not going to discuss what kind of private mod communications or actions we have taken or might take with respect to any specific user. I also want to be clear that, consistent with the entire history of the site, people do not generally get permabanned without an escalating process of warnings and timeouts unless they have said something egregiously bigoted or otherwise unacceptable. This is not a thing that is specific to any particular user, it is how things have always worked.

I understand that those two things, taken together, mean that it can look like we're not doing anything about a user who is bothering people. And i get that people are frustrated about that! It's part of the way the job works. I'm absolutely not trying to short-circuit any complaining in here; i just wanted to make sure folks know that we're not ignoring you.

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Added Substack tag.

Iteki: "What? Cos they're too woke or too chicken to hit you."

This comment is an answer to the Asker's question, and as such i am choosing to leave it, but Iteki, this is both facile and mean. Your answers in Ask are generally quite good; this is unworthy of you.

Folks, just in general, you need to treat the Asker with at least a modicum of compassion and respect or else skip this question.

lapis: "I'm really not trying to be persnickety here, but when did comments start getting deleted from MeTa for being noise? I thought we were moving toward lighter moderation and fewer deletions? Is it because it's a Board update thread?"

MeTa is moderated very lightly, but that doesn't mean stuff is never going to be deleted. In this case, i made the judgment that the comment was likely to cause another giant derail, in a thread which is already like four derails deep.

Folks, with questions like this it can be useful to encourage an Asker to examine their part in the relationship dynamic as part of your answer, but at the same time, you need to be very careful not to shade into victim-blaming. A couple of comments are at least arguably on the wrong side of that. HearHere and Winnie the Proust, please be more mindful.

One comment deleted as noise.

Folks. In this particular case, loup made the decision not to leave speculative misinformation about moderation in the thread, even with my mod note to counter it. Is it the decision i would have made? Probably not; as you might have noticed, i tend to reach for other tools much more than the delete button. But i had considered deleting the comment myself (instead of only leaving a mod note)--and although i decided against it, loup's decision here was in fact perfectly reasonable. Especially since the user i was responding to realized it was a bad call in the interim, and asked for their comment to be deleted.

I get that there's a lot of frustration about moderation! We're working on it! But in this particular case, the original call could've gone either way, and so could the subsequent call; there's not some kind of coverup going on.

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It is definitely a mistake to treat one data point as a trend, HearHere.

Folks, this is me with my mod hat on. I'm sorry to have to drop into this thread this way, having already made a comment without my mod hat on, but coverage is tricky right now and a couple of the comments in here are getting flagged to hell. I am not removing any existing comments. However, when discussing indigenous cultural practices, you absolutely need to be aware of your own cultural context, and exercise some caution to avoid falling back on racist stereotypes.

One deleted. Copy/pasting LLM content is against the guidelines; please refer to our generated content policy.

Two deleted for replying to a deleted comment. Kutsuwamushi, you're fine in general. On further reflection, sammyo has been banned for 7 days and we will discuss whether it should be a permaban. (It's my bad; I didn't look carefully enough at the history.)

Two deleted. sammyo: we don't really need to have random racist jokes introduced into the conversation, even if someone else said them and you're linking to them offsite. donnagirl: your comment was removed as a response to the deleted comment; you're fine.

HearHere: "🦋"] HearHere, I'm leaving this up, but just in general, you do need to contribute to the conversation with something besides just an emoji.

One removed for not answering the question.

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Fixed a typo in the post text!

One comment edited (to remove a link) at user request.

Just a note, folks: i started this thread (without my mod hat on), but i'm also the mod with most of the scheduled time for the next day and a half. I am going to be extremely cautious about performing any moderation actions in this thread unless something blows way the hell up, which obviously i would prefer not to have happen. Please FIAMO and try to keep the conversation on rails.

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Fixed a typo in the post.

One deleted as both offensive and a non-answer (it was missed earlier).

Folks, just a gentle note: the baptism thing is turning into a derail (and making jokes about a woman getting nearly drowned is even more of one.)

Two comments deleted. tiny frying pan, you're fine, but if you want to talk about another user's behavior it's better to take it to MeTa at this point. plagued out moggies, i want to address a bit from your deleted comment. You said, "TFP, you’ve already been asked to stop shitting up this thread". In fact, tiny frying pan was told to try to comment more constructively; you, however, were told to stop talking to other users this way. Take a break from the thread, please.

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Hey, folks, just popping in to say that a few things in here have gotten flagged. I don't see any need for deletions or anything, but do please try to keep the conversation on the rails.

Two deleted. Folks, i understand that over time MetaFilter has gone a lot of different ways on whether "covert wishes for violent things to Mysteriously Happen" are okay. And to some extent it's always gonna be a judgment call! The userbase here is clearly pretty on edge, right now, with things that are edging into "fedposting" territory, so i've removed it. unearthed, you're totally fine, and i'm not even going to pretend i didn't fave that one without my mod hat on, because i did; but with my mod hat on, and with the number of folks who were made uneasy by it, i think it's a distraction this thread doesn't need. Ice Cream Socialist, your comment was only deleted because it was a reply to a deleted comment.

One deleted. I understand that you were trying to be helpful, HearHere, but this is the sort of question where the answers probably need to be from folks with directly related experience of some kind.

Hi, folks, just addressing a couple comments that have picked up flags: tiny frying pan: i am entirely in sympathy with you here, but your comment is effectively noise. It would be better to express your objection to the subject in ways that don't feel so much like drive-by snark. plagued out moggies: I'm not removing your comment, but you need to take this kind of thing to MeTa rather than talking to other members this way.

Several deleted because they were either posted in the wrong thread, or replying to comments deleted for that reason. You're all fine, you didn't do anything wrong, but the thread about LLM detection and "commonly used phrases" is over here. This thread is about LLM-generated fiber arts.

Abehammerb Lincoln: "Ah, April 2027 for a second season. Good to know when my wife will be ridiculously horny again." I'm not going to delete this locker-room-esque comment, but please consider how this sort of thing comes across to other community members.

Just a quick note that people come to Ask for advice from other humans, and "go Google it" or "go ask a chatbot" isn't really the kind of thing that they're generally looking for.

Duplicate comment removed. anshuman, i left the later of the two duplicates, since it had an extra sentence; hope that's okay!

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Updated post to fix typo, and removed a comment about the typo.

Added the USPolitics tag, out of an abundance of caution.

haptic_avenger: you are tripling down here and it isn't okay. I am leaving your comment because it is not, on its face, bad advice to talk to other parents in one's neighborhood. However, OP has directly addressed your concerns about their neighborhood, and while you are under no obligation to believe them in your heart of hearts, you are required to follow the guidelines for Ask MetaFilter. Please take a break from this thread.

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One removed for making a gross insinuation about another commenter.

One deleted. Galvanic, you have posted two comments in this thread involving "slutty clothes" analogously. I left the first one and deleted the second, but in general, that particular analogy is creating way more heat than light. Please stop. Everyone else, please do not pile on and derail the thread.]

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Edited this comment to make the link clickable.

One deleted as noise. I am not deleting this comment, because it is potentially useful advice for the future/other people, but i would note that nobody is likely to believe a wedding ring on the hand of a 13-year-old girl is anything other than a prop of some kind and that therefore this isn't really a particularly good answer to this Asker's question.

I also want to note, in general, that while of course there do actually exist bad neighborhoods, the concept in the popular imagination of "bad neighborhood" is a very fraught one and is very often deployed in racist and classist ways. Please exercise caution, and be aware that poor and minoritized men are not, actually, the only or primary perpetrators of street harassment.

The_Vegetables: "Black bean/jicima salad:
Canned black beans, corn, jicama, cilantro, mini bell peppers, and a dressing typically made with olive oil, lime, and cilantro., but it can be left off. Only a tiny bit of dressing is used."

I'm making the executive decision to leave this answer, because it's always been true that posts in Ask are for more than just the Asker. However, the Asker specifically said absolutely no beans; please read the question carefully before you answer it!

WatTylerJr: "Demi-god Jeff "I destroy things for money money and more money" Bezos and that thing he 'married'. And so I decide I didn't like this at all." I am not going to remove this comment, but please note that it is not ever acceptable to call a woman "that thing", regardless of how odious she is. (It is also not an acceptable thing to call anyone of any other gender, for the record.)

One deleted. In general, it's not a great idea to have your first comment in a thread—especially when it is also the first comment in a thread!—be a snarky one-liner that invites a sexist reading.

Two deleted; one was nonresponsive to the question, and the other was a response to that comment.

Oh, btw, cyanistes, i don't think you did anything wrong here. I think "feature requests related to books on FanFare" (and even games, by extension as "media that gets less love in the FanFare interface") are entirely on-topic here. Please carry on as you were.

Seriously, everyone, that is enough. Two deleted. Pickman's Next Top Model, please stop picking fights with other users, especially contemporaneously with picking the same fights in another open MeTa thread. (The second was deleted for responding to the first deleted comment.)

I hate having to delete shit in MeTa, but "lightly moderated" is not the same as "unmoderated". I cannot speak for the other mods, but i personally am happy to hear you out at length about the shortcomings of any user you have a problem with, via MeMail or the Contact Form.

Just a note for transparency: this Ask has gotten flagged multiple times as chatfilter. I don't particularly want to delete it—it's picked up a lot of answers, whatever its shortcomings as a question, and the restrictions on what counts as "chatfilter" have been loosened over the years—but for everyone's future reference, this is way too open-ended to be a good Ask post.

clav and HH, you're getting pretty far afield here with the derail into the Temple of Elemental Evil and its immediate neighborhood. Please take it to MeMail or make a post on FanFare.

Sanicula: "I've always found it fascinating that morels seem to be the only wild food that midwesterns are universally excited to forage. Well...aside from deer that they pick off from a sniper post in their backyard." Yeah, I'm not going to delete this, but please do not do this. Midwesterners are not, actually, an undifferentiated mass of gun-toting hicks. Some of them even read MetaFilter!

One deleted; i don't think that baseless speculation about an elderly gay guy secretly running a cult, a drug dealing business, and/or a glory hole is sufficiently answer-shaped to remain in this thread.

Folks, i would take it as a personal favor if this thread included less sniping at each other.

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okayturnip: i'm absolutely not saying the conversation can't focus on Kneecap's politics! (I may not have drawn the distinction i was trying to make as clearly as i would like, in which case i'm sorry.) They're a very political band and that's an important part of their story! I just mean, it would be good if we could avoid getting off into the weeds too far (such as whether Hezbollah is a worse actor than the US. I think everyone on MetaFilter probably knows my actual personal feelings on that by now—it's still, in my opinion, too far afield for this thread.)

Removed one comment for spoiling a different episode. adamrice, please feel free to post again without the spoiler.

Hey, just a quick note: the conversation has mostly moved on, but this MeTa thread is not a great venue to complain about the person who posted it. Again, MeTa is deliberately moderated very lightly, and i'm not going to delete anything, but please try to keep it focused on the topic rather than the messenger.

Folks, relitigating the 2024 election is absolutely a derail. Please do not do that in here. Gyre,Gimble,Wabe, Esq., your comment contained an unacceptable level of contempt for other MeFites, and it's been deleted. Stuff like this is absolutely not okay: "I don't get why people are surprised or even want to remark on this kind of stuff here. You guys knew this was in the play book. Welcome to your dystopia. Enjoy grubbing a rotten potato out of the ground."

Going To Maine: "I mean, I care inherently because presumably any comments I made in those threads have also been lost."

Just FYI, that's not how account deletion works anymore. All FPPs on the Blue, the Gray, and FanFare are anonymized and the text redacted, but the post remains open and all comments are visible.

Fixed link error in post.

falsedmitri: i've edited the broken link in the post to reflect the link you intended, and deleted the comment which only contained the link.

Folks, let's avoid getting too far afield of the topic of the post (which is Kneecap) into derails about Hezbollah and Palestine. "Kneecap getting charged with terrorism because of Palestine/Lebanon support" is on-topic, but a segue into arguing about Palestine or Lebanon more directly … probably isn't. (I know i contributed to that myself yesterday, without my mod hat on, and i'm sorry about that—this note is absolutely meant to include me!)

And one deleted for not answering the question.

Two comments edited to make the links clickable.

Hey knobknosher: i've fixed the links in two of your comments to be clickable. They are otherwise unedited!

chariot pulled by cassowaries, just fyi, i've edited the link in your comment to be clickable.

One comment deleted as a duplicate.

JHarris, i've fixed the link in your first comment and deleted your second (which only contained the correct link).

Hey jamjam, this comment comes across as pretty sexist. I'm not deleting it, but in future please refrain from making statements about what "women want" and from statements that imply that straight men as a class are locked in existential conflict with their female partners.

Just a note, folks: I have removed the other post, even though it was technically the first one, because this one had the bulk of the on-topic comments. This one is, however, no longer a double!

Two deleted. Seriously, folks, please stop calling each other names.

One deleted; Ask isn't a good place for quippy one-liners that don't answer the question.

plagued out moggies: "Learn to read, you fucking ignoramus"

Please do not speak to other members like this, either.

Seriously, folks, tempers are running high in here and it'd probably be good to cool things down a little.

(Also "moron" is a slur, and while it's historically not been one we've moderated out on MetaFilter, i don't love to see it.)

Folks, i'm not deleting anything in here yet. However, please do be careful, when you are not defending bigotry (or, especially, the use of slurs), that you don't end up sounding like you're defending it by accident.

One deleted as a duplicate.