CyberSlug Labs, take the week off while the moderation team discusses your comments. In the meantime, it is suggested that you seriously rethink your participation on the site, your comments were transphobic because they blamed child predators and social media for creating trans people. Completely unacceptable. This note has been emailed to CyberSlug Labs.

june_dodecahedron, thanks for bringing this to our attention. In the future, please flag and then shoot us an email to get our attention in these situations. There's only one mod on duty and I am just now seeing the profile you've pointed out. Let's refocus this thread back to the topic it was intended for, as OP has requested. I can confirm that I'm bringing this up to the team right now and working on taking action. Feel free to shoot me an email if you have any other concerns.

Comment and reply to it deleted. It’s 100% uncalled for and not ok to make comments about groomers and predators in a thread about Trans athletes. Do not do that again.

One comment deleted. Let's avoid turning a post about women in space about someone's breast. Please refer to the content policy.

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One comment deleted. Let's not call an entire demographic "nazis".

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A couple of comments deleted. Please remember that advocating violence against others violates our Content Policy. Additionally, let's try to be considerate and respectful in our discussions. While disagreement is welcome, there's no need to criticize what others are enjoying.

One comment deleted. Wishing violence on other people is not OK and goes against our Content Policy.

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Klipspringer: In other news, did this post always have a content warning? Do posts about comedy on a website for adults generally need content warnings? If it was added later, where's the mod note?"

The post always had that content warning, no edits have been made to the post.

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Great link, thanks for sharing, we added this post to the sidebar and Best Of blog!

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Several questions removed per the OP's original request: "PLEASE if you don’t believe in chiropractors or think its woo or nonsense or whatever, skip this question."

Removed a comment by rongorongo that looked like it belonged in FanFare. They’ve been notified.

Reopening the thread now as agreed.

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One comment removed for recommending unpasteurized milk as a possible solution responses left up though. The FDA believes raw milk can pose a serious health risk.

Brandon Blatcher: "Mod note: One comment removed because it links a knock off site (Said it was to the MET store, but was not). Checking with poster to see if they're ok with changing the link."

Poster prefers that comment remain deleted.

One transphobic comment removed (but responses left up), because it violates the Content Policy and MetaFilter is not a place to be posting hateful comments about trans people.

Another comment removed that advocating for violence and/or murder. Don't do that, violates the Content Policy

One comment removed because it links a knock off site (Said it was to the MET store, but was not). Checking with poster to see if they're ok with changing the link.

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Kybard: "I've asked the mods to put this up in the original post for clearer visibility, but I know their availability is limited this weekend.
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This has been done, took all of 10 minutes from original message :)

...will you please add a direct link to Klipspringer's archived moderation log...

This has now been done, thanks for your patient (for the reasons stated above).

Post edited to put complete question in the body of the post, as some people do have titles turned off, making the question nonsensical

added the uspolitics tag.

Closing the thread temporarily since folks have asked us to close/freeze the thread while we have reduced moderation this weekend. Thanks for everyone's patience.

Heads Up: This post has received several flags asking us to close/freeze this thread for the weekend (when we have reduced moderation) to avoid it imploding throughout Saturday and Sunday. I've consulting with the mods covering the weekend shifts and they agree so I've reached out to lab.beetle confirm he's OK with this.

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Should be a post in the blue or an update in the open thread instead.

Added USPolitics tag.

Acknowledging the mistake above. As kirkaracha mentioned, he didn't know how to turn off the mod box and was acting as a regular member. We'll address it internally as well but if you want to discuss this further please create a new Meta about it.

Klipspringer: "Also the modlog isn't linked from anywhere on the site. It's only discoverable by URL and from MetaTalk posts which will drop away. As far as I can tell."

It’s in the Staff & Site info link in the nav bar.

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Note that I'm off this coming week, starting two hours or so ago, so things may be slower this week (neither Taz or myself will be around), so just have patience, thanks!

I do see the "ex cathedra" box on the comment you link.

Yep, I fixed that, 'a non mouse, a cow herd' was not seeing things when they made that comment

which, to me, why??? why is it so hard to edit? View source seems to make it look like one line of CSS or HTML? Why can only one person edit it? What if they get hit by a bus?

And, to get back to the original thought of this post, why are we still having the same issues all the time? The "flag" thing took how many years? Publishing BIPOC minutes got to over a year. We're still waiting on a community created cookbook for how long now? The initial excuse was that the community member who was going to do it had things come up. Yet, at least one other volunteered to take over but was shut down to let the first person still attempt to finish.

The code of the current site is a mess and done using a lot techniques from an earlier era of coding, where a lot of current practices just did not exist. Roughly speaking as an a non-developer, I think that analogy is this: Previously everything was hand coded, and I do mean everything, even seemingly common elements (like a footer,) were reproduced a number of times (the footer is at the bottom of every page).

Now imagine having to go into every single one of those different pages that the footer appears on, just to change one or two links. That may be decided to not be worth the time for part time developer to do, especially when there's other stuff going on.

Nowadays templates are built into a content management system (CMS), so that a non-developer has access to a single page where the template is and can just go into that one page to edit that template and those changes are immediately applied wherever that template is being used on the site.

That MetaFilter is more like the former, than the latter is frustrating for everyone, but it is what it is. That's not me being flip, just recognizing that a lot of things with the current site are what they are and are not going to change, hence rebuilding the site.

I think a lot of that also influenced general practices with the staff over time. A "we can't move fast, so we don't move fast". That is my personal opinion and expect that'll change with the new site (note how quickly the missing line around an official mod note was changed and as the person who made the change, it was super easy), which will allow general staff to change things on the site without having to go through a part-time developer aka much quicker.


There are number of complaints mentioned in your comment and I can't reply to every single one because I don't know all the details. But I will express my opinion about late things with the BIPOC Board.

Yes, it took a while and that was frustrating, but I think it's ok, while also noting the Board has changed its practice of doing meeting minutes, they're much more concise.

But asking or demanding that a group that is dedicated to helping people who may feel silenced in life and on this site to 'be quicker' isn't all that helpful to those people. In fact those very public demands may encourage people to disengage and move slower. Not a great result, sure, but a very human one.

Finally, I do think things are getting better. The very comment and "broken promise" that prompted this MeTa post were actually part of a longer comment where I was talking about working on document to make information users were requesting more visible.

So yes, something was promised and didn't happen. But work and improvements are being done and happening and I would encourage everyone to think of things on a larger site level scale and opposed to always focusing on one particular thing. That doesn't mean mistakes shouldn't be publicly called out. Just try to look at the large picture and when improvements are being made, to note that publically also.

More timeouts. Brandon, is frimble aware of this?

Left a note in the mod Slack for them.

Added a General Information FAQ that contains basic information that members have requested be in one place. The link to this FAQ entry will be placed in the navigation bar for easy access and titled "General Site Info". If there's you think should be added to it, please let us know in the comments!

Changed the above paragraph in the post to this:

Added a General Staff and Site Information FAQ that contains basic information that members have requested be in one place. The link to this FAQ entry will be placed in the navigation bar for easy access and titled "Staff & Site Info". If there's something you think should be added to it, please let us know in the comments!

Done to make it clearer that the link contains information about the staff.

Flagged as fantastic so many times and it's completely understandable why, so of course we added it to the sidebar and Best Of blog!

This isn't a great solution, true, but it's one that the staff can easily update, so that's a win, IMO.

The footer on the current site isn't easily editable, hence why it hasn't been updated in a long while.

And unless I've misunderstood something, this is the one triad of people at all of Metafilter right now who owns it and has any actual power to make decisions. Effectively invisible on the site unless you follow seventeen clicks to subsection 14(c) of the faq and then remember the whole time.

FYI, there is now a link in the site navigation bar titled "Staff & Site Info" that links to a FAQ entry that has the staff box and general site information. It's accessible from every page and if people have suggestions about other information that can go in there, please let us know in the comments or via the Contact Us page.

Awesome, thank you!

I believe it's been discussed in terms of handling account wipes differently, but if you're hoping for this specific feature, I recommend adding it to the feature request form. (list of requests).

One comment removed for being edited/changed to just a period. Please don't do that, especially as typing only a period is a common symbol for respectful silence that is used in obituaries, so it makes no sense in this thread.

Please don't edit your comment to change its meaning. Just flag it with a note, telling us to remove it or email us.

[Positively] Is the link to "collecting information about member run activities and events" supposed to go here?

Yep, fixed now, thanks for pointing out!

Curious why Seattle was selected for the P.O. Box location and how that will work with a board-run site.

One of the board members lives there, so it's easy for them to pick it up.

Also added a link to the MefiQuote announcement page.

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One comment deleted. Please don't call anyone Lizard Person, this is a dog whistle rooted in antisemitic conspiracy theories that have long sought to dehumanize Jewish people and as such goes against our Content Policy and Community Guidelines.

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So beautiful to see and there's no Gollum, so we've added this thread to the sidebar and Best Of blog!

Oooh, thanks for starting this and thanks to all who chimed in with suggestions! This post has been added to the sidebar and Best Of blog!

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What steps are you taking towards that?
– We've moved from this being a one person effort to a team effort and set timelines/owners for each section of the site update.
– I'm working with the board to set better communication channels for volunteers, the board and the staff.
– Brandon and I discussed just yesterday the possibility of breaking the site update into different posts (tech updates, admin updates, moderation updates, etc..) that way once section won't hold the other.

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The site update should be out by Friday evening, have been waiting on some information.

Yep, I dropped the ball there (original comment), so my apologies.

I usually set a reminder or have note for that stuff, just forgot to do it this time around.

Antisemitism is not tolerated on MetaFilter and the moderators want to know if members do see it occurring. Please flag it (a note is helpful) or email us with a llink to the comment/incident.

And while this thread is about antisemitism specifically, please remember this from our Content Policy:

MetaFilter is an inclusive space. Avoid posting racial slurs or stereotypes; deliberately misgendering/misnaming others; questioning the existence and/or validity of trans identities as well as other racist, misogynist, homophobic, transphobic, ageist, ableist or otherwise hateful speech. This includes making hateful or insensitive statements ironically or sarcastically as well as linking hateful sources (authors or websites).

Thank you for all your hard work kirkaracha, we've noted the new site developments in the sidebar and Best Of blog!

This is good news and a great addition, with all the other recent code changes, so we've added this post to the sidebar and Best Of blog!

If Violet Blue, or anyone else, wants to create a MeTa about anti semitism on MetaFilter and how to reduce it, that's totally fine, go for it. I recommend avoiding making it personal and please avoid trying to police the thread and arguing with everyone who disagrees with your (general your, not a specific person) point of view.

This thread should stick to discussion about moderation and the MeTa queue.

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Sparky Buttons: "I think it would be helpful if the posts that dont make it through the queue are noted on the mod log."

Agreed and it was requested back on March 22 that the moderation log on the new site record that information. Mentioning that to make it clear there's no objection to making that information visible, just no clear technical way at them moment, but restless_nomad has suggested a work around.

pdb: " is that decision and the reason why communicated to the person who created the post (via MeMail or other communication method)? Because if not, it absolutely should be. #pleaseanswer
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Yes, the member is emailed the reason why it wasn't published. Both of the mentioned MeTas were emailed.

It's possible that the process should be changed to "posted but closed with deletion reason" rather than just not posted,

Decent idea, will talk it over with the other mods, thanks for suggesting it!

Out of interest, why do messages or notes in flags have more weight in the decision than (hypothetically) a MeTa that might be 90% decent discussion amid the fighty-ness?

They don't necessarily have more weight, it's very conditional. In this particular instance, I'm mentioning them as way that members have communicated, along with emails, what they think of particular situations.

Thanks for Lemkin for making this post and shout out to trig for the fantastic comment about the ebook market! We've added both to the Best Of blog and sidebar!

Brandon: what happened to Violet Blue's MeTa thread?

Please create a MeTa for that and cease derailing this one. I'm up for a little bit, so it should go through. Yes, people may think it's ridiculous, to create a MeTa about why another MeTa wasn't published, but folks need to stop derailing this post.

I'm up for a while longer, so will send it through.

I did consider making a MeTa post that was literally just "who is in charge here"

Slight update to the General Info FAQ which clarifies the position of the Interim Board (IB) members, and clarifies that loup is in a position over all the moderators.

But for quick reference, here's the Board info:
Rhaomi: President
1Adam12: Treasurer
Gorgik: Secretary

Violet Blue, you're derailing this thread, please stop doing that.

There's a consistent pattern of behavior here where you post a thread on the front page, people have disagreements with you about the subject and then you try to police the thread. When told to stop you begin accusing people of organizing against you and/or contacting the mods to get their comments taken down.

The I/P subject is a complex one with lots of sides and emotions. It is recommended that you stop trying to argue with every single person who disagrees you. It is recommended that you stop accusing others of working in some organized fashion against you. People simply disagree with your take on things and that's perfectly fine.

Please stop posting comments in this thread. If you don't, we'll have to start removing your comments and/or issue temporary bans of increasing length, so please stop.

Fixed that link!

Thanks for sharing these links by making this post! We added it to the sidebar and Best Of blog!

Fixed reedbird_hill's comment above as requested.

Oops, in trying to favorite warriorqueen's comment, I accidently removed it, for about 5-10 seconds. My apologies!